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I do an annual motorway mileage of 30,000miles (140miles a day). I have an A4 2003 Turbo Diesel Tiptronic that has done 80,000miles so far.

What is the maximum mileage this car can do before going *bang* (before the engine blows up) this is so that I can start planning to buy another car? Has anybody done up to 300,000 on their A4 yet? What are the major failures I should be looking forward to and about when? I give my car a good gold servicing with an Audi dealer so that it does not let me down on the motorway, hopefully his helps.

May thank in advance.
 

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The Audi diesel engine should eat up 300k miles easily as long as you service it reguarly....

You probably would need a new turbo by 150K but that would only set you back a few hundred pound...

But the tiptronic gearbox i'm not so sure about as ive read they can be troublesome and break even on lowish mileage cars rather than the manual box which is much stronger....

Hope that helps a little ...
 

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Why does everyone knock on the tiptronic? Honestly guys....do some research. Its an extremely well built gear box. The ones that go bad, are the ones that are treated poorly. Just like any other type of gearbox out there.
 

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Hello All,
I do an annual motorway mileage of 30,000miles (140miles a day). I have an A4 2003 Turbo Diesel Tiptronic that has done 80,000miles so far.

What is the maximum mileage this car can do before going *bang* (before the engine blows up) this is so that I can start planning to buy another car? Has anybody done up to 300,000 on their A4 yet? What are the major failures I should be looking forward to and about when? I give my car a good gold servicing with an Audi dealer so that it does not let me down on the motorway, hopefully his helps.

May thank in advance.
Just make sure you continue to use a high quailty, proper spec PD engine oil, and keep it topped up to the max. Don't wait for the DIS computer to tell you the oil is low, because that normally means right on the minimum. I have come across examples where there was no oil registering at all on the dipstick when the DIS warning came on. Not good at all, because the quantity to top-up from min to max is usually exactly one litre, and if the sump total capacity is around 5 litres, then that's a potential loss of around 20-25% of volume of lubricant.

Regarding maintenance intervals, your useage would seem to be the exact type for the LongLife servicing. If you drive nice and easy, and don't cane it, then you should have no probs staying on LongLife. If you do plan on keeping it for 10 years / 300,000 miles, then, for peace of mind, consider going onto the shorter interval servicing. Now that you car is now out of warranty, it might be a good time to find a trusted independent Audi specialist to carry out servicing, saving some of your pennies from maintaining the ivory towers called main dealers ;)

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Sean, you sound like you seriously know your stuff. I have a question for you. With regards the oil used. Could one maximise performance and durabilty by using the longlife oil but changing it every 10 k? On the face of it using the 'most expensive' oil and changing it more often seems like the best policy.

On my old petrol V5 golf I used to change the oil every 4-5k and use longlife SLX2 and then the SLX 3. Cos thats what came out of the pumps at the dealer I worked at. It was the best V5 I ever drove! Performed superbly and never missed a beat!

I now have the TDI 130 A4 and want to make sure this engine stays tip top if I can.
 

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skymaster1 said:
Sean, you sound like you seriously know your stuff. I have a question for you. With regards the oil used. Could one maximise performance and durabilty by using the longlife oil but changing it every 10 k? On the face of it using the 'most expensive' oil and changing it more often seems like the best policy.

On my old petrol V5 golf I used to change the oil every 4-5k and use longlife SLX2 and then the SLX 3. Cos thats what came out of the pumps at the dealer I worked at. It was the best V5 I ever drove! Performed superbly and never missed a beat!

I now have the TDI 130 A4 and want to make sure this engine stays tip top if I can.
That is one of my reccomendations, particularly on modified (chipped) petrol turbos and PD TDIs
 

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Good, Glad you agree! I plan to put the Castrol SLX long life III in it then get it changed roughly every 10k. Hopefully that will be the best option for engine TLC and maximising peformance, life and MPG
 

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Good, Glad you agree! I plan to put the Castrol SLX long life III in it then get it changed roughly every 10k. Hopefully that will be the best option for engine TLC and maximising peformance, life and MPG
If you are able to change your own oil, then it would be rude not to;) .

Incidentally, do you buy your own oil in bulk, or do you <cough> borrow your employers, & return when finished;) ? I'm just finishing my own 60litre barrel of SLX LL2, and the SLX LL 3 is still quite hard to get hold of from the independent lubricants specialist I normally use!

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Teutonic_Tamer said:
If you are able to change your own oil, then it would be rude not to;) .

Incidentally, do you buy your own oil in bulk, or do you <cough> borrow your employers, & return when finished;) ? I'm just finishing my own 60litre barrel of SLX LL2, and the SLX LL 3 is still quite hard to get hold of from the independent lubricants specialist I normally use!

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Where do you buy a big drum of that from Teutonic Tamer and how much is it ??

I managed to buy 6 x 1 L top up bottles off Ebay for £30 and thought i got a good deal as the dealers wanted about £15 for one bottle of the castrol slx !!!
 

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Hi. These days I dont work for the dealer so no longer have it on tap for 'borrowing' . plan to buy it from the parts dept in the little bottles but at a discount as I still have a few mates there. I have a mate who can change the oil for me for a few quid no probs.

It is really expensive though, especially in those 1 litre bottles! Very annoying indeed.

When I used to work for them getting oil changed involved a tenner changing hands at lunch time! Thats why it was done so often! Although I miss this perk I prefer the situation these days. It's worth paying for the stuff not to have to go to work there every day!
 

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Wow!! you guys know your stuff. Well, thank you for all the comments. Though I don't know how to change my oil but I will service at regular interval and expect the Audi dealers to put a high grade engine oil in my priceless car.
 

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Yea, For the money dealers charge for SLX 3 it should be really good stuff. Well by rights anyway!

My golf certainly ran much better after being treated to regular changes of that stuff.

Getting the A4 fully serviced tomorrow with SLX 3 and all filters. I for one cant accept the longlife service schedule, 20k plus on the same oil? Maybe, but I am not chancing it!
 

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Yea, For the money dealers charge for SLX 3 it should be really good stuff. Well by rights anyway!

My golf certainly ran much better after being treated to regular changes of that stuff.

Getting the A4 fully serviced tomorrow with SLX 3 and all filters. I for one cant accept the longlife service schedule, 20k plus on the same oil? Maybe, but I am not chancing it!
One thing to add guys you will probably find your car will need a top up before you get to the next 20k longlife service as some models consume up to 1 L every 5000 miles so important to check your levels reguarly before the DIS low level light comes on as Teutonic Tamer says !!!

Its handy to keep a 1 L bottle of Castrol SLX in your boot and these can be easily bought from Ebay rather than buying them off the stealers at 3 times the price...

eBay.co.uk: Audi Oil Pouch (item 180072470597 end time 13-Jan-07 00:17:38 GMT)
 

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Yea Good point. In Fact, with the amount of oil these engines use (especially in their early life) it's not fair to say that longlife servicing means they have the same oil in them for 2 years. With the constant topping up needed they probably get a complete change between services anyway. Just through usage of oil then fresh oil topping up.

I see some guy is selling a 60l Drum of SLX 3 on ebay, wants over £400 for it!!! The dealers I used to work for paid around £4-5 per litre. That was pumped sraight into the tank in amounts of 1000s of litres in one go. Seems silly of Castrol not to sell a 4 or 5 litre container of it.
 

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Where do you buy a big drum of that from Teutonic Tamer and how much is it ??
I got it from the main stealer at the time (got it direct from Castrol, obviously), it cost about £390 - £6.50 per litre, not too bad in 2003, particularly when Halfrauds and the main stealers were seiiling the litre bottles for £13-15, and the 4 litre cans were unavailable.

My local independent lubes distibutor, whilst mainly a Mobil commercial distibutor, has good links with most UK oil companies. He runs Audis himself, has a new A3 2.0T FSI, and dispite the fact he can get Mobil 1 much cheaper than the OEM Castrol SLX, adamantly refuses to use the Mobil 1. He confirmed what I already knew about Mobil (along with similar strategies from other US originated lubes) - Mobil 1 claim on their packaging that their product "meets" the various VW standards, but actually, Mobil have never submitted to VW for testing and accreditation, and so make a statement which VW are not pleased with!!!

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I managed to buy 6 x 1 L top up bottles off Ebay for £30 and thought i got a good deal as the dealers wanted about £15 for one bottle of the castrol slx !!!
Was that SLX2 or SLX3?

I just can't convince myself to trust any eBay-er, 'specially after the relentless barrage Watchdog give 'em! Must be my age :rolleyes:
 

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Wow!! you guys know your stuff. Well, thank you for all the comments. Though I don't know how to change my oil but I will service at regular interval and expect the Audi dealers to put a high grade engine oil in my priceless car.
I seriously would not rely on the Audi dealer to actually use the correct oil. There are plenty of stories, ranging from the usual rumors, to the factual horrors of failed engines, due to the dealers using the wrong oil. As I have mentioned previously (might have been on vwaudiforum.co.uk), my very own dealer was adamant that a 15W40 semi-synth should go in my (well the Wife's actually) 2006 (my '07) Golf GTI 2.0T FSI, and for LongLife as well - arrhhhhh. They even admitted to a couple of engine failures - f*$king muppets!

Your best bet would be to by the stuff (all your maintenance bits: oil, oil filter, sump plug seal, pollen filter, etc) yourself, either ask for a discount from the main stealer, or somewhere like EuroCarParts or GermanSwedishFrench, then take the bits to the servicing dealer, telling them to use the bits you supply, obviously getting the cost of the parts removed from the service invoice. If you are on a tight budget, you can spread the financial load by getting your bits a month or two before the service is actually due!

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Hi. These days I dont work for the dealer so no longer have it on tap for 'borrowing' .
Ain't that a bummer eh ;) .

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plan to buy it from the parts dept in the little bottles but at a discount as I still have a few mates there. I have a mate who can change the oil for me for a few quid no probs.
Think about either a 60 litre barrel, or the 20 litre plastic cubes - should work out cheaper, and you don't end up fafing about with loads of little bottles - you can't give the empties to next doors cat either!

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It is really expensive though, especially in those 1 litre bottles! Very annoying indeed.
I think the words "gold" and "liquid" come to mind when discussing SLX!

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When I used to work for them getting oil changed involved a tenner changing hands at lunch time! Thats why it was done so often! Although I miss this perk I prefer the situation these days. It's worth paying for the stuff not to have to go to work there every day!
That bad eh???
 

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T-sport said:
One thing to add guys you will probably find your car will need a top up before you get to the next 20k longlife service as some models consume up to 1 L every 5000 miles
Upto 1 litre every ONE thousand miles !!! My S4 had a serious drink problem when new - just after it was run-in, a nice long blast down to the pyrennese, and some serious caning in the mountains, and an appetite of one litre every 1,100 - to 1,200 miles was calling! The nightmare of getting hold of the proper elixure prompted me into getting the 60 litre barrel!!

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so important to check your levels reguarly before the DIS low level light comes on as Teutonic Tamer says !!!
Too righty, and don't forget those round black boots at each corner!

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Its handy to keep a 1 L bottle of Castrol SLX in your boot and these can be easily bought from Ebay rather than buying them off the stealers at 3 times the price...

eBay.co.uk: Audi Oil Pouch (item 180072470597 end time 13-Jan-07 00:17:38 GMT)
I ended up buying four 1L bottles in Andorra - and they certainly were not tax free - ouch!

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Yea Good point. In Fact, with the amount of oil these engines use (especially in their early life) it's not fair to say that longlife servicing means they have the same oil in them for 2 years. With the constant topping up needed they probably get a complete change between services anyway. Just through usage of oil then fresh oil topping up.
A similar system was <cough> "invented" on british motorcycles, donkies years back - oh, hang on, they just used to leak over your boots and white sea-boot socks, and thus coined the phrase "total loss lubrication" ;) :D

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I see some guy is selling a 60l Drum of SLX 3 on ebay, wants over £400 for it!!! The dealers I used to work for paid around £4-5 per litre. That was pumped sraight into the tank in amounts of 1000s of litres in one go. Seems silly of Castrol not to sell a 4 or 5 litre container of it.
What, this one eBay.co.uk: CASTROL OIL 05W-30 LONGLIFE III 60 LITERS !!!!!!!! (item 130065788533 end time 15-Jan-07 02:11:01 GMT)
at £474 + £10 p&p, that still only works out at £8 a litre! Bearing in mind the short supply of the stuff, it ain't too bad.
 
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