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Had accident.Got 1 damage estimate, seems excessive?

Hey guys.
Looking for some quick opinions.

Here`s the story; [ 1994 A90CS 2.8L FWD Running pretty well. ]
Some sort of 'U' shaped bracket completely cracked and separated from the steering. I luckily wasn`t hurt, nor was there any body damage as it collided with a highway`s guard-rail concrete foundation.

I don`t have collision insurance and i`m not wealthy, but I like the car a lot and can`t afford to buy something newish to replace the 90`s quality.

I had it toed to a shop which specializes in Volkswagen. They wrote out an estimate. Knowing i`m paying out of pocket, and seeing the car needs cosmetic work, I would have expected them to help me out a little and not spec new OEM factory parts.(except where stated otherwise)(also not knowing the mark-ups)

The parts list should, I expect, tell the story...so I won`t bore you on the specific damages.

This quote is to repair the mechanical demages caused by the accident.

steering rack - $580.00
Inner and outter tierods - L - $145
R - $185
Left spindle and strut (used) not available new - $350.00
L control arm - $499.00
L lower ball joint - $107.00
L axle shaft - $199.00
coolant heater hose - $104.00
coolant - $35.00
wheel (used) - $175.00
Tire - $95.0

Parts total - $2474.00

Labor - 10.9 hours @ $65.00 = 708.50

Alignment - $89.95

Total repair - $3272.45 + tax = $3534.25

To begin this repair and order parts we would need 50% deposit. Please let us know what you would like to do.

Thank you.



I searched remanufactured parts,(after-market) and they are way less expensive.
They are surely less quality..but really, when i`m on a budget and I get a $3534 bill for a car which i expect will continue to needs servicing as it ages more...it doesn`t seem right. Am I being taken for a ride?

Thanks gentlemen.

PS: If I turn down their proposal and take the vehicle, what sort of cost should i expect from them for the estimate?
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ouch $, & i thought BMW was expensive ! labor seems about right, I'd ck for after mkt parts - if possible - $104 for a coolant hose ? try pelicanparts.com maybe they can do better
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ouch $, & i thought BMW was expensive ! labor seems about right, I'd ck for after mkt parts - if possible - $104 for a coolant hose ? try pelicanparts.com maybe they can do better
Thanks for your comments rovemello.
I`m about to call the garage to arrange to have the car prepared to be toed.
I`m not going to allow this shop to do the repairs.Way too much!
I found a near by shop who will use aftermarket/re-built.

I wish I knew what to expect as a charge for having my car in their shop for 2 days...and will they have a charge for their estimate, and what`s a fair price for that..if any??

EDIT:The shop is only chanrging me for the estimate...$65...no problem there.

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Along with people 'In The Know' telling me these costs are excessive for an older car...I was really wanting to know if things like;
- if I buy a rebuilt steering rack or used control arm for example, how long do I have to live before these parts fail and kill me?

I notice some parts i`ve searched give a 1 year warranty. Does that mean I can expect to die just after the warranty expires?

PS: i`m very surprised how little ppl here are willing to help me out...or maybe it`s just the a lack of ppl who know anything.
Hey..i`m sorry ... maybe next time i`ll ask which wheel design you think is more spiffy looking.

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Hey don't start hating just because we don't know off the top of our heads the prices of every little part. Only a few of us will have had to do all of that!

That said, it sounds like even the prices on your original estimate aren't totally out of line. The Audi dealership near me wanted $1000 just to fix the handbrake and replace a hydraulic hose. You're getting a lot more done and your labor isn't far off from what they were charging me. Hopefully you got an even better deal though with the second shop you went to.

And no, the parts will not kill you after a year, but they aren't going to guarantee something for over a year because after that point, it's up to how you take care of things that affects how long they will last. Most cars on the road still have the original factory parts on them, and if they do fail, they will probably do it in a way that won't kill you.
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Hey don't start hating just because we don't know off the top of our heads the prices of every little part. Only a few of us will have had to do all of that!

That said, it sounds like even the prices on your original estimate aren't totally out of line. The Audi dealership near me wanted $1000 just to fix the handbrake and replace a hydraulic hose. You're getting a lot more done and your labor isn't far off from what they were charging me. Hopefully you got an even better deal though with the second shop you went to.

And no, the parts will not kill you after a year, but they aren't going to guarantee something for over a year because after that point, it's up to how you take care of things that affects how long they will last. Most cars on the road still have the original factory parts on them, and if they do fail, they will probably do it in a way that won't kill you.
Thanks for responding Troy.
The second garage now has my car. His first call estimate was, that a 'U' clamp, part of the rack and pinion, had cracked and broken away, separating my steering wheel from the wheels, to be simple.
The mechanic didn`t see any reason the car needed more then just that part and to replace the bent control rod. He found the R&P and CR for $350 from a junk yard. I haven`t heard any more from him as yet. (hose was even more minor)

I`m not going to get into why I think your response to my question and later comment was inappropriate.
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I read the original post as the broken U clamp was as a result of the accident, not the cause, so I'm sorry if I offended you, but it wasn't really clear until your last response. Not to mention it would be one of the few (or maybe even the only) incident I can think of where a critical aspect of the steering broke in such a way. So, what I said about the 1 year warrantee still stands. I highly doubt that the parts you get will break like that. Usually the critical components are made to last. If someone reads this and knows of some danger involving this, please respond!
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I read the original post as the broken U clamp was as a result of the accident, not the cause, so I'm sorry if I offended you, but it wasn't really clear until your last response. Not to mention it would be one of the few (or maybe even the only) incident I can think of where a critical aspect of the steering broke in such a way. So, what I said about the 1 year warrantee still stands. I highly doubt that the parts you get will break like that. Usually the critical components are made to last. If someone reads this and knows of some danger involving this, please respond!
Ah, ok. Yes, that clamp broke while driving. It was guessed, to be the result of a bad front strut with no compression, which I had replaced two yrs earlier. Maybe hitting one of our famous Philadelphia potholes may have made the initial first crack in that 'U' clamp.The first shop mechanic said it looked as if one crack was older then the other. He also said in his experience, losing the steering, with any car, is not as uncommon as we might think.

I lost the steering in this A90 twice before!
Each time, including this third time, I was on I-95 !
Incredibly, I made it to a stop each time without any injuries or collisions!

The 1st time, something, maybe part of the rack and pinion fell apart. I believe it was a connection between two plates by 6 bolts. The bolts worked themselves loose, plates then separated, and wham-o, no steering while doing 65 mph on 95 with traffic around me! Horn blaring, flashers on, car swerving back and forth across lanes. I`m pumping the brakes to slow the car down with traffic all around me, but not so much as to cause an accident, hoping not to broadside a car or slow too quickly and cause a multi-car pile-up behind me!

I had this repaired by some hole-in-the-wall shop.(mistake...but toeing was expensive)
About two yrs later the same exact thing happened again!
I was toed off 95 by 'Penndot' to a nearby Pep Boys. I insisted he use nylon thread locking nuts this time. Now look what happens! haaaaaa
If I wasn`t an agnostic, I would be thinking someone wants me dead.

So you see why I asked about warranty. It would just be my luck the whole thing fails one day after warranty ends.

I swear i`m not fibbing....3 times on 95
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HOLY ****........those prices are bloody insane. Ah hell no...you can find aftermarket parts for a hell of alot cheaper and the quality is not that far off from stock. Don't get taken for a ride from this clown. Get that car outta there and do some research and enjoy driving it again. Hopefully with controlled steering this time...lol


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Hey evo1couperacing.

Yeah, that estimate, as it turns out, was outrageous.
I`m thinking that shop just didn`t want to get involved with my A90, so they wrote it up for the highest markup and labor...just in case I was dumb enough to go for it.

Happy to say I had the work done for under $1200. (included new tire and antifreeze to capacity)
Now...just today I had the air cond. checked out to find that my compressor needs replacing. Because it can be damaged by 2 other components that it connects to, no warranty if I don`t purchase all the components. A new system(all three)will cost about $700 installed with warranty. If I just install a new compressor...it voids the warranty.

So i`ll be looking into some other option for just the compressor.

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